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Another Frumster Files WWYD?

November 10, 2009 · 12 Comments

This happened to a friend of mine. She was cruising the frum-o-sphere in search of her very own KoD and came across an interesting profile. The guy sounded sweet and sincere, and had many similarities to her ideal Mr Right. Hashkafically they seemed to be compatible too.

They chatted online and on the phone a few times until they agreed that they should finally meet. Luckily enough they were in the same city. (wow, that happens??)

As is the norm in this kind of religious world dating, she had her people do some investigating before the actual physical date. All their sources agreed at how nice this guy is, what a gentleman, lovely family, no one had a bad word to say about him. One person returned to her with a whisper, not even a rumour, that there had been some trouble with a previous girlfriend. Nothing major, no concrete evidence…. Upon further investigation she found more people whispering the same thing, but again no proof.

Now, she wanted to still go ahead and meet him, after all there was nothing to substantiate the rumours. Her friends were telling her that there is no smoke without fire, that she should just cancel and move on. Another friend told her to ask him outright before the date about the issues – his reaction would be telling. Yet another of her trusted advisors told her to go ahead, meet him, spend an evening with him, and then evaluate.

What would you have advised her to do? Do you agree that background checks are necessary? Should she have given him a chance to defend himself? Should she have ignored the friends and gone out with him to judge his moral character for herself?

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Frumster Files #70856

October 17, 2009 · 5 Comments

I received this story by email not too long ago.

One day I received an email from a guy on Frumster who had a “password protected photo”, so I did not see his picture. We exchanged several nice emails, then he offered to give me the password so I could see his pic. I typed it in, and up comes a picture of this very good-looking guy, sitting in MY LIVING ROOM, on MY COUCH!!!! It turns out that he was a friend of my ex-husband who had come to us for shabbos, and asked me to take the pic for him, so he could submit it to Frumster. We had a good laugh over this, once he realized who I was. He didn’t recognize me in my Frumster pic b/c I do not cover my hair post divorce, and he had only seen me in a shaytel.  Anyway, we live too far to date, but we speak on the phone every now and then.

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Dating WWYD

July 28, 2009 · 19 Comments

You met online. You have been speaking to each other on the phone for a week. Every night. Hours on end. He tells you without meeting you that he loves you. Is he full of it or do you think his declaration has merit? Do you tell him to get lost or does this comment pull you in deeper? Do you think a person can fall in love without actually meeting the object of his / her affections?


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Dating? Tell the truth….or not

July 13, 2009 · 11 Comments

I have heard lately of several stories where people have been encouraged, by shadchanim (matchmakers) and rabbis, to flat out lie when they talk to a potential shidduch (date) or fill out a shidduch resume or fill out an online dating profile.

Photographs that are 10 years old, shaving 5-10 years off one’s age, not admitting to being a grandparent (for those people dating second time around, perhaps as young as 40…) are among the few things I have heard. Don’t mention you were ever sick, don’t say you are or have been on medication, don’t mention the tattoos, don’t mention that you served time in jail or have been married more than once.

I don’t know if I agree. I know that in the second time around dating scene finding someone is that much harder, and once you have been around the block you are generally schlepping pretty hefty baggage with you anyway. If your hair is grayer, and you have put on weight, I can see wanting to use an older picture – but it’s misrepresenting yourself. Your date will meet you and realize straight away that he/she has been misled.

I know there are some sensitive topics that need to only be discussed once there is a real possibility that a relationship can be established – but age? Grandchildren? These are fundamentals.

How can you start off what can potentially be a life together, with a lie?

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A date with destiny? not so much….

June 30, 2009 · 9 Comments

(This was submitted by a reader, was just edited a little)

I went out with this “man” from a Jewish online dating site… why? Don’t ask me why! It’s more like I had to even though my gut said, “Don’t go! For the love of Pete please don’t go!” He knows a bunch of people I know and it was sort of I had to go sort of deal. Everyone wants to fix me up, I am just so darn pretty and eligible, I guess.

This is how I knew it was going to be bad… despite the accident I recently had the “man”  kept calling daily asking me out, I’d say,” I’m in a lot of pain now, please give me some time”… He didn’t really get it and called again the next day. Persistence can pay off, but this was downright nagging.

I was never one of those ladies that liked a date that called me daily… NEVER. I’m not saying I never want to hear from them, it’s more like… aren’t you busy? And just how needy are you???

Anyway, so I throw on a slinky black skirt, a striped top that thankfully allocated room to accommodate my war wounds and my oh so functional sling (because my arm was injured). He drives up and waits in the car, idiot doesn’t even have the decency to walk out. Guess he never had a pep talk from a shadchan. So he finally levers his lazy self out of the car while I wait for him to pop the lock on the door- his car stinks of cologne. I don’t know what it was, but it made me woozy. Probably called Eau-de-Stink. Looks-wise… he’s sort of dumpy, eyebrows are quite un-groomed and pretty much a uni-brow, and his fingers look like sausages. Don’t ask me why I look at hands, but I always do. But looks are not everything, and in shidduchim we are told to consider the whole person. Shudder.

So we start driving, he drives slow, like a dead grandmother who never learned how to drive. He asks me “so what do people say when they see your face?”
me “what?”
him “Don’t they say things if you’re pretty or something?”
me “I normally don’t poll my dates”
silence
me “thanks for the odd question, I love awkwardness on dates, it’s happier than suicide”
silence
(Again, I think he definitely needs a pep talk from a shadchan.)
so as you can see, it’s going really well.

We finally get to the restaurant, which he repeatedly told me I was saying wrong, despite him being the wrong one. Then he told me I looked very Sephardic, I told him I wasn’t. (I should know, right??) He said, ‘no, no I really see it’ Oh Hell kill me now! I thought religious men were not supposed to comment on looks!! Certainly not on first dates!!

Now, let me walk you through dinner. First he complains about the menu, then finally decides on a dish, this took him over half an hour- during which he decides that everything I say, he’s going to say I’m wrong, even if it was an opinion. Oh boy, that was fun! What an obnoxious man – but I was well brought up so I sat still at the table…counting the minutes until I could leave.
At one point, I didn’t reply to him and he says “oh I see I’ve made you speechless”
me “no, I just have nothing to say because you’re a moron”

The appetizer comes and he eats it so quickly, I was scared he was going to bite his  hand while he was at it. Not only that, he ate with his hands and kept offering me some, I said no thank you and kept sipping my water. Which was an effort to keep the vomit down. Then the waiter comes by and as he lifts the plate we notice a piece of the fish appetizer had fallen off, the waiter goes towards the piece with his napkin, when suddenly sausage-fingers swoops in and eats the fish off the table. I drink more water, again in hopes of keeping the vomit down… in fact my mouth dropped open and he said, ‘that was tasty’. Table manners – #fail.

Oh, I should also mention that he kept furiously rubbing his eyes with his sausage fingers, leaving his eye red. He may have had pink eye, glad I am shomeret negiah and didn’t have to touch him. Euw!

When the main courses were served, he ate his meal so quickly you’d think he was just out of a refugee camp- now I may not be a gourmand but I at least like to chew and enjoy my meals, savor the flavor and relax… not this dude, he ate so quickly that I don’t think it was eating but rather inhaling. And while I tried to eat my meal he accused me of hiding things. Then I snapped, I told him that yes I was in pain (just had an accident, remember, oh needy one??) and no I don’t want to joke around all night because if you are joking then you don’t know who the person is because they are putting on a show and if for one minute could stop arguing with me then maybe just maybe we could have a civilized conversation. His reply, ‘I like to argue, and you’re wrong, people who joke can’t hide anything’ Oh my god, kill me.

Then he orders coffee for dessert, because we really needed to prolong this torment… and he went on and on about his nephew and niece being spoiled and their mom, his sister, not giving a hoot…. oh how pleasant. Nice of him to share his dysfunctional family – now I don’t have to check that out for myself with his references.

He pays for dinner (at least that much he did), I say thank you and we walk to the car.

Oddly enough on the car ride home we finally manage to have a decent conversation, and because we were 4 blocks from my house I decide to say, “Are you enjoying the conversation?”
him “Yes actually I am”
me “Odd, and it doesn’t include fighting but rather two people talking about their lives and not joking”
him silence
me “oh well whatever”
him “I guess I get a little ahead of myself and can be a bit arrogant”
me “yeah, a tad, ya think?”

So he drops me home, asks to walk me to the door, I said no thanks and thanks for dinner- walk away and have never heard from him since. Thank the lord.

Lesson to be learned, I don’t like sausages, inbreeding is bad, and I know how to rock a sling.

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Disgusted

May 26, 2009 · 10 Comments

 

I received an email from a friend / acquaintance who is in shidduchim. She is a Baalat Tshuva of some years, and is in her early 30s.

 

She was recently introduced to a shadchan in New York who wants to start setting her up on dates. She told me that she stormed out of the meeting with this person when the questioning got too personal. Is it normal for a shadchan to ask either party, male or female, if they are a virgin or even how many sexual partners they have had??!!

 

My friend was so disgusted that she left, and doesn’t really want to go see any shadchanim after that. I can’t blame her. What is this world coming to? Would they ask that of an FFB? If a person chooses not to answer – does that count against them?

 

I feel ill.

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Frumster Files – why continue

May 25, 2009 · 1 Comment

I recently received this email:

 

Dear Hadassah

I really enjoy reading your Frumster posts but I was wondering why you are still writing about dating if you are happily married. I would of thought you would be happy to leave it all behind.

CC in New York

 

Here is my response:

Dear CC,

I am B”H happily married to my KoD and I wouldn’t change that for the world. Ever. I am also thrilled to not be in the dating world any longer. I am so thankful that that dating part of my life is over. But, CC, I still have a lot of single friends in that world, and I have a lot of experience with frum dating that I hope people can learn from.

 I don’t turn my back on friends, ever, and I have been told that my Frumster File posts are helpful – perhaps even in just helping people to know that they are not the only ones to be in a specific situation.

 My blog is a useful tool also for those seeking advice but don’t know how to get it, or they wish to remain anonymous but still have people’s input. Not all my Frumster Files stories are about me or my experiences – and I do encourage everyone to write in with a WWYD or a story that happened to them.

CC – it’s all about giving back. I found my beshert after a lot of hard work, let me help others find theirs.

Best

Hadassah

 

Just to note, folks, that if you do want to write in with a story or a WWYD or anything dating related, my email is hadassahsabo at gmail dot com. Confidentiality will be respected.

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Another Frumster Files WWYD?

May 20, 2009 · 11 Comments

 

The dating world in North American Orthodox Jewry is seemingly very small. With every shidduch (match) suggested you are bound to know someone who knows the family or the person.

 

Add Frumster (an online dating service)   to the equation – many of your single girlfriends have dated the same guys as you, or have at least chatted with them. If you are a little different you become even more memorable. Like me – a divorced mom with 4 boys in Montreal. Kinda hard to forget – but I was not the only one, which  apparently led to some confusion once.

 

So when a still single girlfriend asks you about a dude she met on Frumster that she knows you spoke with and / or dated – and keeping in mind the laws of Lashon Hara –  gossip – what are you supposed to say? If you know for sure 100% that it wouldn’t work, that’s great, you can just say it wouldn’t work out. But if your friend asks you why it didn’t work out for you and him what are you supposed to say? If you dated him and he was perfect you would have married him – like I did with my KoD. (yes hon, you are perfect, perfect for me). What if what you have to say doesn’t jive with what he had to say.

 

I was recently asked about someone who was a great charmer, and came across as everything a woman could dream of. (I dated a few of them….) I told my friend that this guy was not for her. I put it that succinctly. Truth be told he wasn’t for anyone that I care about or wish good things for. I had a negative experience with him – but does that necessarily mean that she would? Maybe they would be a good match. Maybe my negative experience coloured the way I see him. There is such a responsibility in this.

 

There are a few guys that I dated that were close to being The One. Close, but not quite, and those guys I would not hesitate in recommending to my girlfriends. (Except for the one that just got married!!).

 

I have friends that are shadchanim (matchmakers) and I don’t know how they do it – without Lashon Hara and without stress.

 

So here’s the WWYD question. You dated Mr X and he turned out to be a real piece of work. You went your separate ways. A year or two later he is suggested to your friend Ms Y as a potential shidduch. They email, he mentions he dated you and thinks the world of you so your friend asks you about him. Do you tell the truth? Or temporize? Just say “not for you, trust me”? Or do you let her meet him and make up her own mind with the potential that she might get hurt?

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A WWYD?

May 18, 2009 · 10 Comments

 

This situation recently happened to a friend of mine and she wasn’t sure what to do. I thought I would poll you people and ask you what you would have done.

 

Said friend is single, on the dating scene and was recently introduced to a young fella. Soon after she received an email from this fella saying that unfortunately he was sitting shiva.

 

My friend wasn’t sure what she should do. She doesn’t know this guy at all, except for being introduced to him, but he is sitting shiva. Should she pay a shiva call – or does that say she found him interesting? Should she just email back and say how sorry she was to hear his news, she wishes him long life? What would be the right way to behave?

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Frumster Files #78547

May 14, 2009 · 12 Comments

Not too long ago I received an email from a guy I had briefly communicated with on Frumster. He told me he had been thinking of me and wanted to just catch up. We just hadn’t gelled in our initial emails, so I had let him down gently.

 

I thought it was nice of him to send me such a polite email, but he seemed still interested. So I emailed him back that I had recently got married and was moving. I ended off by wishing him the best for the future.

 

He replied that he wished us Mazel Tov, perhaps he could come over and stay at our house for a Shabbat some day soon. I should let him know when I am settled.

 

What? Are we even friends? Am I crazy in thinking this was just plain weird? I emailed back some kind of reply that was vague….but I was disturbed….. Would you have him over? I totally wouldn’t.

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